Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

[XXX-er]

I'd love to hear the thinking behind using that kind of bolt for a chainring...

Allen screws are about the easiest screw to strip the heads on, Torx much less so

never seen allen screws or Torx in computers they were all were Bristo,

you could put the bristo wrench in the screw head and wind it completley around a revolution with pliers

[Boissal]

Allen screws are about the easiest screw to strip the heads on, Torx much less so

never seen allen screws or Torx in computers they were all were Bristo,

you could put the bristo wrench in the screw head and wind it completley around a revolution with pliers

Oh I have no beef with Torx, they're great bits and unstrippable fasteners. The safety version though? The one that requires a dimpled bit to work on? Why??

[XXX-er]

missed the security dimple part, duno maybe they had them left over ?

[evdog]

I don't mind torx but its a PITA when there are just a few components that use Torx and the rest are hex. Now I have to dig out a Torx wrench from my tool kit and hope its the right size.

[Dantheman]

I don't mind torx but its a PITA when there are just a few components that use Torx and the rest are hex. Now I have to dig out a Torx wrench from my tool kit and hope its the right size.

I'm pretty sure I've made this exact rant before, but swapping handlebars requires 2.5/3/4/5 mm hex keys, a T25, and a Phillips if I'm running a bell. 5-6 tools to swap a bar is ridiculous.

[rideit]

MAGNETS

[toast2266]

I don't mind torx but its a PITA when there are just a few components that use Torx and the rest are hex. Now I have to dig out a Torx wrench from my tool kit and hope its the right size.

Sram pisses me off with this. Plenty of their parts have both torx and hex, which is just silly. And their rear derailleur hanger bolts are the worst - they were 5mm hex forever, then they switched them to T25's, and then they decided to switch back to 5mm. All for a bolt head that's recessed and you can't really see it, so you just have to kinda grope in there with the tool and see if it feels like it's hooking up properly.

[evdog]

Sram pisses me off with this. Plenty of their parts have both torx and hex, which is just silly. And their rear derailleur hanger bolts are the worst - they were 5mm hex forever, then they switched them to T25's, and then they decided to switch back to 5mm. All for a bolt head that's recessed and you can't really see it, so you just have to kinda grope in there with the tool and see if it feels like it's hooking up properly.

Yup. And I seem to recall at one point the only T25 I could find at the time was on a multi-tool that wouldn't reach deep enough to access the bolt.

[jm2e]

Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

I don’t buy into the torx superiority theory as it’s been applied to bikes. When’s the last time someone striped out a shifter bolt? It should never happen because of the low torque (see what I did there!?!?)
Maybe for the bigger bolts, like rotors. But then why aren’t they putting torx on stems and seat clamps? It’s all the stupid little fiddly stuff that leaves you hung up on the trail. And really the biggest problem I have with Allen head bolts is companies using shitty metal with shittier tolerances. Every time I go the tighten a KS seat clamp I wonder if I should be using an SAE wrench. Or maybe a half size.


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[Dee Hubbs]

I have a bins of assorted hex bolts that I use to replace the SRAM shifter bolts, dropper lever bolts, and any other SRAM oddity. If there are only 3 Torx bolts on the whole bike, I'l replace them.
If its something stupid like a Scott with all T25 Torx bolts, I'll leave it.
Dont get me started with Cannondale's T20 stem faceplate bolts, or Tektro's T15 bleed screws....

[toast2266]

I don’t buy into the torx superiority theory as it’s been applied to bikes. When’s the last time someone striped out a shifter bolt? It should never happen because of the low torque (see what I did there!?!?)
Maybe for the bigger bolts, like rotors. But then why aren’t they putting torx on stems and seat clamps? It’s all the stupid little fiddly stuff that leaves you hung up on the trail. And really the biggest problem I have with Allen head bolts is companies using shitty metal with shittier tolerances. Every time I go the tighten a KS seat clamp I wonder if I should be using an SAE wrench. Or maybe a half size.


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Usually a torx head is a little lower profile, so sometimes it makes sense in that regard. And I don't have any problem with torx if everything is torx. I just don't like this mix and match hodge podge.

[evasive_MT]

https://helenair.com/news/local/groups-sue-federal-agencies-over-scratchgravel-hills-plan/article_61db6590-d28c-56b2-9b4d-e00ec86528c1.html

Usual suspects have something to say about mountain biking.

[Bunion 2020]

https://helenair.com/news/local/grou...ec86528c1.html

Usual suspects have something to say about mountain biking.

My Fav.

The plaintiffs note that many equestrians have bought homes in the area because of easy access to trails and that Scratchgravel is one of the “last remaining places close to the city of Helena that allows equestrian use” of several trail systems.

In a news release announcing the lawsuit, Joanna Easton, a member of the Alliance for the Wild Rockies, said many of the mountain bikers are riding with earbuds and don’t see the equestrians.

She said the riders who do see her are going at such a high speed that they slam on their brakes and frighten the horse.

"Horses are prey animals and their instinct when they are spooked or startled is to run, spin, jump and buck,” Easton said. “This not only endangers the horse and rider, but other trail users as well.”

How do earbuds prevent you from seeing?

[BigHerm]

Sounds like the horse folk are mad that the 35 miles of new trail are bike specific and they'd prefer to continue having conflict on multi-use. I like not riding over horse shit and not scaring dumb animals.

[evasive_MT]

When the “Alliance for the Wild Rockies” is filing suit on behalf of suburban homeowners’ recreation preference, I think it’s a pretty clear sign they’ve strayed from whatever their mission is.

Yes, it’s definitely older equestrians who are imagining mountain bikers riding 30 mph everywhere, and who don’t have any sense of responsibility for their skittish 1-ton prey animals. I participated in a working group that took us from the draft to a new proposal that’s essentially what the final plan is. I don’t have any trouble imagining some people continuing to undermine that.