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  • I've seen black diamonds!
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    • Sep 2008
    • 8495

    #31
    Originally posted by stapes
    That’s a winner ISBD! Kinda reminds me of Zimmerman’s Clown Shoe Caddis. Which I believe was invented on similar, if not the same, local water.

    And I’m w/ MS. I was thinking indica was the inspiration.
    Found a cool article about the clown shoe: https://www.flyfisherman.com/editori...-caddis/152222

    Similar water and purpose for sure. His fly is certainly far more original.

    I've been fiddling with lighter dropper flies recently. A heavy nymph as a dropper requires a big dry on top. A heavy dropper also tends to slow down the drift of your dry, and forces you to change up your casting stroke. I think this generally results in fewer dry fly eats and casting weight is just less fun.

    So a lighter dropper fly sinks more than an emerger but doesn't weigh enough to mess with your drift or cast. I've tried glass beads, brass beads, a few lead wraps, but I think resin bodies work best, maybe with a few lead wraps underneath. They sink and they are light. In comparison a hare's ear sinks slowly and a big one absorbs enough water that you can feel the difference when casting. It's not a disaster or anything, but the resin bodied fly always weighs the same.

    The other material that works well for this is partridge. You can add some nice bugginess, but the partridge fibers slow the sink rate less than all the other materials I've tried. Here a couple that have been working for me:

    Biot Dome? (goose biot, 16/0 thread, partridge, UV resin):
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    Platypus Adams? (thread, wire, partridge, a little lead free wire, UV resin):
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    I like the biots and wire wraps because they create a textured look under a light coat of resin. Do the trout care? I doubt it. But I hate the look of perdigons, which are too boring, even if they work (I use them).

    Also, I think I'll smoke some indica this evening, brake out my bag of scrap materials, and see what sort of caddis pattern ends up on my hook.

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    • The Reverend Floater
      Southbound Pachyderm
      • Sep 2001
      • 9686

      #32
      For those of you in hopper/stonefly land, check out Dornan's Water Walkers. The way they sit in the water seems to be super effective.

      Get yourself the Dornan's Water Walker! This fly pattern is an excellent stonefly imitation and a proven staple for discerning anglers, guides, and fly shops.


      I'd also put in a vote for Two Bit Hookers as my go-to summer dropper. Zebras, emerging drake patterns and good ol rubber legged stone fly nymphs are encouraged.

      I also love the X Wing Sparkle Pony on Idaho's freestone rivers. Floats nice and seems pretty irresistible to trout fish.

      Finally--if you don't have any dignity and are looking to pile up springtime fish, I would suggest Uncle Juan's Dirty Basement: A bead pegged above a San Juan worm that has a red zebra midge hanging off the worm pattern. It is gross, utterly shameless and totally devastating.



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      • teleee
        Registered User
        • Oct 2003
        • 4117

        #33
        Originally posted by The Reverend Floater
        For those of you in hopper/stonefly land, check out Dornan's Water Walkers. The way they sit in the water seems to be super effective.

        [url]https://www.slideinn.com/product/dornans-water-walker/[/url


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        This, and I would add to get them in several different colored bodies, my arsenal of water walkers range in all the spectrums available, some days they pound pink body walkers, other days its purple or tan.


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        • Percy Rideout
          Registered User
          • Sep 2009
          • 2155

          #34
          Originally posted by Bunion 2020
          I live smack dab in Troutlandia (walking distance to the lower Gallatin) and know a lot of really good/old fly fisherman. What I have noticed is the really good fisherman have a few (12 or so) patterns but in many different sizes.
          This was the best advice that a long time guide passed along when looking into his boxes one day. My catch rate has improved by going to same bug/smaller size when something i know should be eaten gets refused.

          Central CO here, you can never have enough RS2's in different sizes and colors.

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          • ::: :::
            registered peruser
            • May 2009
            • 21230

            #35
            Anyone like a particular pattern for dead/spent caddis?

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            • plugboots
              Cat. Tastes like chicken
              • Aug 2007
              • 11835

              #36
              Go-to fly patterns for trout?

              Originally posted by ::: :::
              Anyone like a particular pattern for dead/spent caddis?
              I started to search for it, but my favorite is pattern I got at the trout shop in Craig. They use a material that looks like wax paper for the wings and they flatten out.
              My favorite cripple is E C or variation
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              • The Reverend Floater
                Southbound Pachyderm
                • Sep 2001
                • 9686

                #37
                Cellophane dun.

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                • Rasputin
                  Not a mad monk
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 4836

                  #38
                  Well I'm no expert, and my experience is limited to my frequent outings over the last year (3-5 days a week except during winter and run-off), but there are certain patterns, or types of patterns which I've come to trust.

                  The Renegade (dry). I have caught most of my biggest cutthroats on these, and probably more fish than any other dry fly. They don't really match any hatch, but apparently trout think they look like food fairly often. I've had luck with them in all sizes I've thrown, from #10 to #16, and will often work during hatches as well as between them.

                  Small orange Stimulators seem to draw attention from fish big and small, both between hatches, and when hatches are of remotely similar colors. I bought some from FlyShack.com (I can't say that their flies are high quality), which were relatively sparsely hackled, and they turned out to be more broadly effective than larger, bushier stimulators I've used.

                  CDC emergers (with sparkle tail). I've used mostly peacock (I got a slew of them cheap, from the clearance section at a sporting goods store), but purple, tan, and gray ones have also done well.

                  Sparkle Duns, and Caddis X. Both of these have the sparkle type tails, which fish seem to love (I gather from more learned commentary, because they look like a shuck). The tail also has the bonus of providing a more visible profile, which is helpful in smaller sizes, especially for folks with poor vision like me.

                  Of course, Parachute Adams works in a variety of situations, including recently, in #16 or smaller, during trico hatches (they've been even better than trico spinners). I'd add in Purple Hazes, which are just Parachute Adams with a purple body (both the regular and flashy types are great).

                  For indicator bugs, I like Chubby Chernobyls, easy to see, will float a weighted dropper nymph, imitate stones and hoppers, and fish of all sizes will check them out if not attack. Tan, and purple/black have been productive colors.

                  And nymphs, on sunny days I've done well with rainbow warriors. Red brassies have teased bigger fish even in pretty small sizes. I also like olive zebra midges, though I've always heard black is a staple.

                  Edit: I forgot Griffiths gnats, hard to see sometimes, but trout seem to love them.
                  Last edited by Rasputin; 09-05-2023, 06:36 PM.
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                  • Skirotica
                    Don't cross those tips!
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 1266

                    #39
                    My go to is always a stimulator. 12 or 14. Always gets at least a look before I can figure out what is hatching.
                    i've had a lot of luck with green and black nymphs this season. 16 or 18
                    I demoed the TECH TALK JONG! pro model this spring and their performance was unparalleled which is good because I ski in a wedge most of the time - bendtheski, 2011

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                    • I've seen black diamonds!
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                      • Sep 2008
                      • 8495

                      #40
                      I had foot surgery 10 days ago. Can't ski/fish/bike/run so I've been tying. Didn't do much tying during the fall and it took some time to shake the rust off, but I'm getting the feel for it again. I've mostly been cranking out some of my favorite winter patterns that I'm low on:

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                      I caught more on these gaudy things last winter than any imitation:

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                      I'm trying griffith's gnat with a hi vis post this year. Hope it works:

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                      I've also been messing around with easy ways to tie extended body mayflies. I think they look great, but I don't like tying flies that I'm scared to lose because they take 30 minutes to tie. I'm allergic to overly complicated patterns. But I'm a big fan of patterns tha look awesome but are quick to tie. I stole a promising idea from an old Italian dude name Agostino Roncallo. I started by copying his pattern called the Mirage:

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                      Awesome name. Awesome look. You tie it all from a single CDC feather in just a few minutes. Doesn't float. At all. I tied another one with a second feather to add a few thorax wraps and thicken the wing. It floats but doesn't look as good. Maybe I need to tie it on a smaller hook (I used a 2x short 16).

                      Then I tried using the same extended body technique of a parachute style fly. It worked okay but the taper looked a bit funny. I'll keep fiddling with it because the technique itself is quick and pretty easy.

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                      • Rasputin
                        Not a mad monk
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 4836

                        #41
                        Originally posted by I've seen black diamonds!
                        I caught more on these gaudy things last winter than any imitation:


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                        They look spot on for the Clark Fork currently. From the Kingfisher fly shop report 12/11:

                        For your bottom fly, try a rainbow warrior, flashy perdigon, or cdc collared duracell.
                        The very strength that protects the heart from injury is the strength that prevents the heart from enlarging to its intended greatness within. -Kahlil Gibran

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                        • I've seen black diamonds!
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                          • Sep 2008
                          • 8495

                          #42
                          ^^^^ Coming your way soon. Perdigons are next on the list. They're boring but fish don't care and they sure sink.

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                          • Rasputin
                            Not a mad monk
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 4836

                            #43
                            Originally posted by I've seen black diamonds!
                            ^^^^ Coming your way soon. Perdigons are next on the list. They're boring but fish don't care and they sure sink.
                            The first time I saw a perdigon, I was skeptical that what looked to me like a colored hook, could catch fish, but the fish didn't agree with my assessment.
                            The very strength that protects the heart from injury is the strength that prevents the heart from enlarging to its intended greatness within. -Kahlil Gibran

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                            • Rasputin
                              Not a mad monk
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 4836

                              #44
                              I've been using the Nothshore stonefly nymph to great effect lately. 37 fish landed in four wintry outings. Two other big fish broken off. They must look like something the fish are eating, both big and small fish, both trout and whitefish.

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                              The very strength that protects the heart from injury is the strength that prevents the heart from enlarging to its intended greatness within. -Kahlil Gibran

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                              • I've seen black diamonds!
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                                • Sep 2008
                                • 8495

                                #45
                                Getting ready for tiny mayfly season:

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                                Small flies seem to be beyond the capability of my phone. In addition to focusing poorly, it distorts the colors. The shuck on this fly is light brown and much thinner than it looks. Anyone have any tips?

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