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  • Core Shot
    Registered Abuser
    • Mar 2005
    • 22543

    #1

    Title 9 is dead

    All animals are equal, but some are more equal

    Kill all the telemarkers
    But they’ll put us in jail if we kill all the telemarkers
    Telemarketers! Kill the telemarketers!
    Oh we can do that. We don’t even need a reason
  • Core Shot
    Registered Abuser
    • Mar 2005
    • 22543

    #2
    Chess.

    I didn’t have that on my bingo card.

    It seems men are crossing over to women’s chess to win. I didn’t see that coming.



    Stanley Omondi, disguised himself & cheated through Chess Kenya open as a woman where he was poised to win Sh500K. Omondi, kept his identity a secret by wearing a niqab and using the name Millicent Awuor.
    Kill all the telemarkers
    But they’ll put us in jail if we kill all the telemarkers
    Telemarketers! Kill the telemarketers!
    Oh we can do that. We don’t even need a reason

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    • cinnepa
      Registered User
      • Aug 2005
      • 5110

      #3
      I hope I wake up one day to find out this is all just a bad dream.

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      • schuss
        is not awake
        • Dec 2003
        • 7873

        #4
        There's plenty of biological differences within men and women even for those born as men and women where people will be generally eliminated from contention at top levels. If you're a swimmer with a negative ape index or a basketball player a standard deviation shorter (or more) than average, you're seeing the same thing happen. Was it fair for the people that played against LeBron when he was in high school?
        If we want to do this right, we need to realistic about individual likely potential and handicap or group against that - something like five buckets that include men and women with an open category at the top.

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        • Trackhead
          Hiding in AK
          • Oct 2003
          • 14731

          #5
          Hard to argue against the physiological advantage of going through puberty with testes pumping out testosterone that increase hemoglobin, lean muscle mass, height, cardiac output, and bone density.

          Qualifying transgender athletes based on testosterone levels does not account for the true physiological advantages biological men have when competing against women.

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          • californiagrown
            Registered User
            • Dec 2010
            • 5161

            #6
            Originally posted by schuss
            with an open category at the top.
            That already exists. There is no rule saying women cannot play in pro men's leagues (see golf for examples of women who have played pro men competitions in the modern era).

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            • The AD
              Registered User
              • Oct 2003
              • 28617

              #7
              Originally posted by californiagrown
              That already exists. There is no rule saying women cannot play in pro men's leagues (see golf for examples of women who have played pro men competitions in the modern era).
              Depends on the sport, though. Not many sports in the Olympics, for example, are open to both men and women in the same events although there a few.

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              • californiagrown
                Registered User
                • Dec 2010
                • 5161

                #8
                Originally posted by The AD
                Depends on the sport, though. Not many sports in the Olympics, for example, are open to both men and women in the same events although there a few.
                I wouldnt doubt the IOC has specific sex guidelines for mens vs womens sports... but realistically, the women's sports are just slower/lower/lighter versions of the same mens sports. I dont think there are any olympic sports that are fundamentally different or only open to one of the sexes? maybe artistic gymnastics if thats still even a thing? Synchronized swimming? Even womens (real) gymnastics only has a single discipline that is fundamentally different from the mens disciplines.

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                • The AD
                  Registered User
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 28617

                  #9
                  Originally posted by californiagrown
                  I wouldnt doubt the IOC has specific sex guidelines for mens vs womens sports... but realistically, the women's sports are just slower/lower/lighter versions of the same mens sports. I dont think there are any olympic sports that are fundamentally different or only open to one of the sexes? maybe artistic gymnastics if thats still even a thing? Synchronized swimming? Even womens (real) gymnastics only has a single discipline that is fundamentally different from the mens disciplines.
                  Next year men will be allowed in the team event for artistic swimming (new name for synchro) for the first time. I believe rhythmic gymnastics is still women only.

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                  • warthog
                    Renegade
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 8046

                    #10
                    Good, can we have a doping and non doping category too?
                    I like living where the Ogdens are high enough so that I'm not everyone's worst problem.- YetiMan

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                    • Trackhead
                      Hiding in AK
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 14731

                      #11
                      Originally posted by warthog
                      Good, can we have a doping and non doping category too?
                      I’d love to see that in MMA…full doped, no guilt, monsters.

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                      • schuss
                        is not awake
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 7873

                        #12
                        Originally posted by warthog
                        Good, can we have a doping and non doping category too?
                        That's usually a country level split.

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                        • MTT
                          ?
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 10457

                          #13
                          Originally posted by cinnepa
                          I hope I wake up one day to find out this is all just a bad dream.
                          right? I really can't get my mind around how this is happening.

                          The backlash is going to be brutal.
                          Own your fail. ~Jer~

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                          • TheSilverSurfer
                            Registered User
                            • Dec 2016
                            • 1821

                            #14
                            This is a tough one. First, what's in the article is rare, but obviously does happen.
                            I'm about as woke as it gets, but if something doesn't seem fair, it probably isn't. Maybe get rid of the male/female categories, have all times listed together with gender also listed. Cis and trans. I mean it sure seems like individually competitive sports could just have multiple categories.

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                            • Cocximus
                              Registered User
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 2647

                              #15
                              I'm basic, but ELI5. Why can't sports separate athletes based on genes? XX AND XY.

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