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  1. #4076
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcdawg View Post
    I've been running Maxxis DHF/Aggressor in CO Front range for years, but feel like the DHF has been washing out. Thinking about switching to an assegai or dissector in the front. Sounds like the assegai is the way to go, but curious if any front rangers running dissector 2.60 in front and how it behaves? Reviews are pretty mixed. This is for my enduro bike. Lots of longhorn and chimpex days.
    Personally, Im a fan of a Butcher, Conti Kryptotal Rear, or a Conti Xynotal for the rear. Xynotal is a Dissector clone but actually holds up unlike the Dissector. Also riding the same rides as you.

  2. #4077
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtlange View Post
    Personally, Im a fan of a Butcher, Conti Kryptotal Rear, or a Conti Xynotal for the rear. Xynotal is a Dissector clone but actually holds up unlike the Dissector. Also riding the same rides as you.
    Looks like Butchers are on sale at Peak Cycles in Golden. I don't know Spec that well - go for the GRID TRAIL 2BLISS READY T7?

    EDIT - Looks like the T9 is the grippier version

  3. #4078
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcdawg View Post
    Looks like Butchers are on sale at Peak Cycles in Golden. I don't know Spec that well - go for the GRID TRAIL 2BLISS READY T7?

    EDIT - Looks like the T9 is the grippier version
    T9 is grippier. It lands somewhere between maxxis maxxterra and maxxgrip.

    Butcher is a fine tire, but it's basically a dhf clone that's slightly worse (it's cheaper though, so the marginal trade off in grip is worth it if you're trying to save some bucks).

  4. #4079
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    T9 is grippier. It lands somewhere between maxxis maxxterra and maxxgrip.

    Butcher is a fine tire, but it's basically a dhf clone that's slightly worse (it's cheaper though, so the marginal trade off in grip is worth it if you're trying to save some bucks).
    I want grippier - any thoughts on assegai or Dissector up front? Or DHRII?

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  6. #4081
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    Are you talking grippier tread patterns, or rubber compounds?
    I run a Dissector 2.6 up front. All else being equal, it is less grippy than a DHF, which is less grippy than Assegai. Haven't ridden the DHRII, but it is marketed as being more fast rolling than the DHF, and less grippy.
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  7. #4082
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcdawg View Post
    I want grippier - any thoughts on assegai or Dissector up front? Or DHRII?
    Assegai is definitely grippiest all around. Dhf has more cornering grip at its limits in good dirt than the assegai, but assegai has more easily accessible grip in most situations. Dhr2 is better at braking, worse at cornering than a dhf. Between the assegai, dhf, and dhr2, dissector is the fastest rolling and least grippy. Assegai is slowest rolling.

  8. #4083
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Assegai is definitely grippiest all around. Dhf has more cornering grip at its limits in good dirt than the assegai, but assegai has more easily accessible grip in most situations. Dhr2 is better at braking, worse at cornering than a dhf. Between the assegai, dhf, and dhr2, dissector is the fastest rolling and least grippy. Assegai is slowest rolling.
    I spend a disordinate amount of time agreeing with toast but I agree.

    Fwiw I really like the Butcher as a good all around tire with decent rolling ability + good grip, cornering etc

  9. #4084
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Assegai is definitely grippiest all around. Dhf has more cornering grip at its limits in good dirt than the assegai, but assegai has more easily accessible grip in most situations. Dhr2 is better at braking, worse at cornering than a dhf. Between the assegai, dhf, and dhr2, dissector is the fastest rolling and least grippy. Assegai is slowest rolling.
    Good info, thanks. I haven't had an issue with the DHF until recently. Not sure I got a bad tire or what but its been sliding out a lot, even at lower pressure (~22lbs).

  10. #4085
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcdawg View Post
    Good info, thanks. I haven't had an issue with the DHF until recently. Not sure I got a bad tire or what but its been sliding out a lot, even at lower pressure (~22lbs).
    Sounds like you need a Michelin Wild Rock'R2.

    Oh, wait.


  11. #4086
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    So many tires to research

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcdawg View Post
    Good info, thanks. I haven't had an issue with the DHF until recently. Not sure I got a bad tire or what but its been sliding out a lot, even at lower pressure (~22lbs).
    Dhf is a generally drifty tire - it has a big gap between the middle and side knobs. It'll hook up good when you lean it all the way over and get the side knobs engaged, but in loose over hard type dirt, that can be pretty hard to do. On firmer dirt, an assegai will generally produce better grip because it's hard to get to a lean angle where the dhf really works properly. In soft loam, a dhf can lay trenches, but on firm stuff it often feels a bit skittery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Sounds like you need a Michelin Wild Rock'R2.

    Oh, wait.

    RIP. I spent some time on the Wild Enduros last summer before I blew my shoulder out and was generally pretty pleased. Bikeinn usually carries them for under $50. They gouge you on shipping but if Jenson has them in stock they'll price match and ship free.

  14. #4089
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    RIP. I spent some time on the Wild Enduros last summer before I blew my shoulder out and was generally pretty pleased.
    Were you running front & rear? Magi-X and/or Gum-X?

    Some day I'll run out of my hoarded stash of Wild Rock'R2's, so will have to move on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Dhf is a generally drifty tire - it has a big gap between the middle and side knobs. It'll hook up good when you lean it all the way over and get the side knobs engaged, but in loose over hard type dirt, that can be pretty hard to do. On firmer dirt, an assegai will generally produce better grip because it's hard to get to a lean angle where the dhf really works properly. In soft loam, a dhf can lay trenches, but on firm stuff it often feels a bit skittery.
    Good info! I'll give the Assengai a shot. Thank you!

  17. #4092
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    Would Dissectors F/R be a good option for a high school racer? Hard to pass up the prices at Planet Cyclery on Maxxis.

  18. #4093
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    I think Dissector is a poor tire for XC racing, he'd be tons faster with an XC tire.

  19. #4094
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcdawg View Post
    Looks like Butchers are on sale at Peak Cycles in Golden. I don't know Spec that well - go for the GRID TRAIL 2BLISS READY T7?

    EDIT - Looks like the T9 is the grippier version
    As toast said, Butcher is kind of a DHF clone though it does have a bit wider center blocks which makes less of a dead zone than the DHF … but the point is if your DHF is washing out then you probably don’t want to go with a DHF clone unless your front tire is extremely worn. If it’s not very worn and you are washing out then you might be spending too much time at gentle lean angles and ending up in the channel between the center and cornering knobs, maybe not enough weight on the front tire either - but DHF alternates (Mazza, Butcher) may not be much different in that respect.

    If your trails are fast, pedally, and have good traction then Dissector front and rear is a good combo - but it won’t bite in as well as a more aggressive tire.

    I don’t know those trails but I suspect that a DHR2 up front may help with that washout effect since every other center block is that really wide paddle. Assegai probably would do the trick too but it would be a lot slower than anything mentioned. Krypotal Front is another option.
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  20. #4095
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    FWIW, I ride all the steep Front Range trails and almost always use a Butcher (T9) front and Eliminator (T7) rear... I find it's a great tire combo for 95% of our trail conditions. That said, I'm generally happy with the setup and tend not to overthink tires once I find something that seems to work.

    I also liked the Magic Mary / Hans Dampf combo on my enduro bike, but Schwalbe tires are fucking expensive (and although I love the grip of the MM, they're pretty damn slow rolling).

  21. #4096
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    I like DHR front better than DHF front in 2.4 maxxgrip. The better braking traction is very noticeable to me. They both have about the same dead zone though.


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    I’ve been very happy with the maxxgrip DHR in the front for steep stuff since it brakes so well. Once you’re at the point in steep stuff that the rear doesn’t provide much braking, it’s nice to have a front that you can rely on for controlling speed and placement.

  23. #4098
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    I can’t recommend the Conti Kryptotal more! It’s perfect for someone that wants similar leaned over grip and low-ish rolling resistance of a DHF without the big dead zone in transition between center and side knobs. I also love the Soft compound. It rolls as well as MaxxTerra but grips significantly better on slabs and rocks.

  24. #4099
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    Really happy with Rekon 2.4 EXO in rear, Minion DHF 2.5 in front for my almost exclusively XC riding with biggish climbs and high speedish descents. Rekon generally lasts me a season. Most of my riding is on hard, rocky stuff that can get loose.

    Just put my new Rekon on yesterday...DHF is good for another 1/2 season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    FWIW, I ride all the steep Front Range trails and almost always use a Butcher (T9) front and Eliminator (T7) rear... I find it's a great tire combo for 95% of our trail conditions. That said, I'm generally happy with the setup and tend not to overthink tires once I find something that seems to work.

    I also liked the Magic Mary / Hans Dampf combo on my enduro bike, but Schwalbe tires are fucking expensive (and although I love the grip of the MM, they're pretty damn slow rolling).
    I am starting to wonder if I have a bad tire. Been running a DHF on the front for 6+ years and haven't noticed it washing out until last fall. Tread still looks pretty new but was washing out on me on NTM this spring.

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