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Thread: Snow for the Euros.
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04-09-2024, 11:44 AM #20426
Roger that.
I'm just wondering how the fuck they ended up there.
As you say it all screamed "I'm going to get you if you ski me"
@bobinch was his son caught in the slide and survived?
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04-09-2024, 11:52 AM #20427
I'd be very interested in that Story.
Maybe we'll hear from the 20 year old Swiss in Hospital, but I doubt it. And it's not that much of a news Story like the 2018 haute Route disaster. So we won't get a Srf documentary.
The Tirolean avalanche Service does an accident description debrief. Slf doesn't. It's the only thing I miss on their site.It's a war of the mind and we're armed to the teeth.
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04-09-2024, 12:32 PM #20428
in the interest of eduction it would be good if the SLF did.
Hoe did 20 y/o survive, did he/she get dug out without a beeper on?
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04-09-2024, 12:49 PM #20429
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04-09-2024, 01:02 PM #20430
WOW, I wouldn't have thought any survivors over that rock band. Does the newspaper give any indication of his injuries?
which Deutsch skiing Forum you using?
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04-09-2024, 01:09 PM #20431Registered User
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04-09-2024, 01:33 PM #20433
did you ever ski with him?
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04-09-2024, 01:44 PM #20434
If I could post a fucking picture anymore...
I could point out the skiers entry point.
Pull up the video and stop it at the first coupla frames. I can see an entry way top lookers left where they came in. Looks like a fin that comes across from left to right and tracks begin above and then into/behind it. They come out onto the big bench, stand then move as it cracks but too late.
I'd posit that in the US, that big rollover between top station and main path would have craters all over it. Or just one. That thing can't need much to go.
Sliding in beneath that hanging snowfield is a remedial mistake that at least a dozen others skied first.
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04-09-2024, 03:52 PM #20435Registered User
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This is where my mind takes me as well. Lack of education on the differences of ski culture, and they paid the ultimate price. Shitty outcome for all involved.
From my NA perspective, I still am kind of unsure why its not controlled, I mean its a huge slope with huge potential, guessing the path doesn't hit any pistes, but if it is as Subtle described with 1.5m of fresh with hurricane force winds why not throw an extra bomb or two. Is it because guests then expect it to be bombed all the time?
edit: Just read a little more on Reddit and people are saying its in a "closed area" hence not controlled as it doesn't have potential to travel into pistes. Looked at the piste map. JFC that is so much terrain in that area, hopefully one day I can make it over there!
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04-09-2024, 04:48 PM #20436
https://snowbrains.com/skier-missing...-army-captain/
Looks like 4 dead total, one wasn't reported missing until later.
Djongo is right , you can see the entry up top lookers left near the left border of the initial slide , not as far left as where the sympathetic release starts from.
What I found more interesting , since this area is being considered an "off limits" wildlife refuge, isn't the tracks up to to where the people were swept away, but that there are a ton of tracks below that bench more lookers left that also get engulphed by the slide. Poor decision (which it certainly was) or not, it seems like this area gets a decent amount of traffic.
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04-09-2024, 05:02 PM #20437
^^^^Click on Duffman's link to the snowbrains article, scroll down towards the bottom to the related article about the 15 year old US citizen and click on it. The picture will show the fin I referred to and the actual access line. Pic is gnarly...
I'd show yas but no mofo pics gotdamit.
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04-09-2024, 05:09 PM #20438
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04-09-2024, 05:22 PM #20439
Wanted to post afore now.
Wasn't able on account of not being able to log in for the past year cept thru the upload link, that being down wasn't able to post at all.
Not too often we see real folks dying in real avalanches.
Fuck.
Sobering footage.
Vibes to all affected...Time spent skiing cannot be deducted from one's life.
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04-09-2024, 09:31 PM #20440
that article throws even more questions. A couple of snowboarders from Canada, a brit with a Swiss passport and his lad(who appears to have survived) and a 15 yo American kid. Did they all meet on the lift and say something like "there's an area roped over there(wild life protected) fuck it let's go for it" its a strange combo of people ending up together.
Folks saying why wasn't that area bombed. It would be against the law to bomb a wild life protection zone.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...-illinois.html
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04-09-2024, 11:14 PM #20441
As I posted further up: it's a designated or recommended wild life area. Technically not finable by the state. The ski area may ( might...should be near impossible because of the kegal status. They could theoretically take your pass..but as i saidfurther up no one enforces yellow zones) sanction you because they say it is protected.
They can't bomb everything that's reachable from the pistes. If you zoom out here, you see why. You'd throw hundreds of bombs to secure everything that's reachable.
Red dot is the accident. Red zone wildlife protection yellow recommended. Zoom in on Zermatt.
https://map.geo.admin.ch/mobile.html...gNodes=532,653It's a war of the mind and we're armed to the teeth.
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04-09-2024, 11:38 PM #20442
CAIC reports are an invaluable source of knowledge imo. It would be good to have such reporting for accidents in the Alps.
You cant bomb everything in the Alps. You cant take away guns in the US. Use brain, enter at your own risk and have fun. We all die eventually.
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04-10-2024, 03:55 AM #20443
The year is 1998. French Ski Bro-brah Denis Rey, now retired from the world cup, is fined $250
for ducking a rope in Crested Butte while participating in the 2nd X-games Ski-Cross. He goes on to win the event besting Kent Kreitler and Chris Davenport.
Some choice quotes below, marking the differences in ski culture between the U.S. and Europe at the time, and within the context of the current conversation, illustrate how the sport and discourse has evolved over the past 25 years. Translation by me:
“For all these freeriders, the USA is a real problem. With the amount of beautiful snow that falls, there's no way to go off-piste, and constant policing sometimes turns into paranoia. Denis responds by skiing (powder) next to a lift, almost goes to jail and is fined 250 dollars.”
“It's true that when you come from France, there's no skiing to be done in the United States. You're not allowed to ski fast on the slopes, you're not allowed to go off piste, so there you go, you're not allowed to be off the pistes, you're not allowed to be on them.”
“No, it's really very, very annoying, because it's true that back home we're not used to this, we don't have this education, and when we see a field of powder under a chairlift or right next to it, well, if you're not the first to have skied it in europe, well, it's too late for you, whereas here, for a week we've been here, there's still not tracks below the chairlifts or behind the ropes. Besides the open runs, there's no tracks, and it's extremely annoying, and it's teasing us.”
Food for thought, because more and more skiers will be going trans-Atlantic. So watch out for that bar flying down and learn what a loaded slope looks like.
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04-10-2024, 04:24 AM #20444Registered User
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04-10-2024, 05:16 AM #20445
News paper said he's a dual national. I'd have thought being from CH and recreating in the mountains they'd have been nowhere near that face. I'm wondering if the son was one of the 3 seen engulfed by the avi. News article also said 2 had beepers on. I'd guess the Canadian pair and the American boy didn't have on(inbound off piste mentality) and the CH pair had the beepers on.
I've not skied Zermatt is there much <30* terrain to ski when it's iffy?
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04-10-2024, 06:32 AM #20446Registered User
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Wow; I leave the message board for a few days and all hell breaks loose. On your question, re IKON and lawsuits, I suspect that if said plaintiff purchased the pass in the US from a US service provider, there could be enough substance in there to bring some sort of action naming Altera as a counter party. How and where it transpires from there would get wonky very quickly but I would guess that there is enough substance to that someone would consider a claim.
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04-10-2024, 07:52 AM #20448
even though they were skiing in an area that's marked as do not enter?
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04-10-2024, 12:47 PM #20449Registered User
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04-10-2024, 01:23 PM #20450
We bomb inbounds closed areas all the time so that they don't release onto skiers below.
And that's not 100% safe as they occasionally let loose after a thump.
But plainly not the same rationales as in Euro. It's a different deal there and I'll take it as it is. I don't wanna change their scene anymore than I want them changing mine.
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